Ross TenEyck ([info]ross_teneyck) wrote,
@ 2007-12-30 00:32:00
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The Golden Compass
If you've read the book, there's a conversation right at the very end of the movie that is particularly and rather cruelly ironic.

But be that as it may, I finally got a chance to see this, and... it's OK. The visuals are all great, they got good actors for all the parts -- especially Lyra -- but I think the movie suffered from the fact that the plot of the book is just a bit too complex to fit into a movie. And if you start cutting out major subplots, you leave out stuff that's just too cool not to have in the movie; like the panserbjørne and the fight between Iorek Byrnison and Iofur Raknison -- which was the highlight of the movie, if you ask me.

But the result is that the movie is crowded with events without a lot of the connecting material between them, and if you hadn't read the book I imagine you'd spend a lot of time not being entirely clear as to why characters were doing what they were doing.

I suspect that this has a lot more to do with why it's tanking at the box office than the fact that it's anti-Christian. (Well, the book is, anyway; the movie is a little squeamish about coming right out and saying it.)

Given the disappointing ticket sales, I doubt we'll see the sequels... which is kind of a pity, because the next two books get a whole lot more explicit about who the bad guy is (that would be God1), and I was ever so curious to see how they were going to handle that in the movies.

Anyway, it looked good and I enjoyed watching it, but this flick is not in the same league as the LotR or Narnia movies.


1Well, sort of. It's Pullman's notion of God, which actually doesn't have that much to do with what most people who believe in God believe in. In fact, although Pullman doesn't seem to be aware of it, his "God" figure is a much better match for Satan in Christian mythology; if you want, you can easily read the trilogy as being set in an alternate reality where Lucifer won his bid to take over Heaven.



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[info]rephetibel
2007-12-30 03:42 pm UTC (link)
I haven't seen the movie but I just finished reading the trilogy. I very much enjoyed the books. It certainly seemed to me that to properly turn the books into film, each one should really be done as a year long series on TV, like "Lost." (I have never seen "Lost" but I gather the plot builds.)

I had a long phone conversation with a friend yesterday that covered a wide range of subjects including religion. He's of the old school; woman tempted man in the beginning, females shouldn't serve (even as acolytes) in the church, etc. Gays as priests, women as priests, we're on our way to hell in a hand basket. Poor guy. He discovered yesterday that MY particular belief system gets a lot farther from the mainstream than women and gays serving in church. He didn't even know where to begin when I told him that I see no reason why any individual in God's in creation wouldn't pray to him. This includes trees, squirrels, rocks and Martians. After a moment's silence on the other end of the phone, he said only people were created in God's image implying that only people have souls. Well, I think that since God is ALL, that trees, squirrels, rocks and Martians are also created in his image and that anything God creates has that spark of divine fire glowing in it.

But, but, but Jesus came to bring US salvation! Not squirrels!

How do we know that? The bible was written by people for people. If Jesus brought salvation to squirrels he would go to them as a squirrel and we wouldn't know anything about it. And maybe squirrels got it right the first time and didn't disobey God and hence never needed salvation.

It was an interesting conversation.

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[info]astroaztec
2007-12-30 03:49 pm UTC (link)
How about the C.S. Lewis angle? After all, Narnian squirrels get saved, even, as I read it, the non-talking ones.

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[info]rephetibel
2007-12-30 03:56 pm UTC (link)
There you go.

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[info]astroaztec
2007-12-30 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Undoubtedly it was edited as a Christmas presentation. Even in the non-polar dusk/gloom battle scenes there was no blood. But more than that, they cut off the ending, which they had filmed and post-produced. The book was Northern Lights, and the movie ends before they get there.

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[info]ross_teneyck
2007-12-30 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I heard that. Apparently the test audiences found the book ending to be kind of a downer. (Gee, I wonder why?)

But as it is having Lyra tell Roger that she's bringing her father "what he needs" just before the credits roll is, for those of us who know what's coming, a particularly doom-laden bit of foreshadowing. And if they do make the next movie, they're either going to have to open it with the major downer, or write their way furiously around it somehow.

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[info]aelfie
2007-12-30 06:32 pm UTC (link)
that the movie is crowded with events without a lot of the connecting material between them, and if you hadn't read the book I imagine you'd spend a lot of time not being entirely clear as to why characters were doing what they were doing.
Ahhh...so its like the Harry Potter movies huh?

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